If anybody hasn't noticed. Bother's Bar have decided to close down the commentaries for future DoND episodes and passed the baton to the commentaries on this site. The archive will remain.

That's a real shame...they'd been going right since episode 1 (the ones on here only started in January, and didn't get popular for a few months after) and it was really interesting to see how everyone's opinions changed over the 500-odd episodes. The first one I commented on was Anita's game in show 3, and I went on to do hundreds more!

There's still this site, though, I really hope this one never goes!

It's a big loss, as the two sites always served different purposes in my mind. The BB archive was a great instant source of all the info about a game, not just the boxes and offers but all the incidents that happened in the shows, statistical analysis etc. Hopefully people on here can chip in with such info while Kestral does the boxes, and keep the arguments and Wakeyism etc. off the main show threads.

I'm sure this site's going to be around for a long time though, even if we have lost our most frequent poster and world's most knowledgeable DOND fan... this new series is certainly the end of an era in more ways than one!

As a fellow commentator with Billy on Bother's Bar, I have to express my sadness to hear of the demise of the DOND commentaries, but I can absolutely understand why. Unfortunately, some members lost interest or were at work, which was a shame. (If I didn't have to go to work, I would certainly have commentated more lately.)

The contribution it made to establishing DOND fansites in general must be acknowledged, and it provides an excellent stats archive of the 1st 2 seasons, and there was real unique character about the place, perhaps because it was always a select group of no more than a dozen and rare 'spam' comments. It will be sorely missed, but all good things must come to an end I suppose.

Anyway, I hope I will now be able to provide some insight on this site from time to time.

What name did you post as over there StatsMan?

Does anyone know why Bothers Bar have decided to stop the commentaries?

must say aswell that i never even went to bothers bar apart from to get to the stat-o-matic, so i'm not actually that sad about it all

'Tis a shame though, and if they'd been going since show 1, why the bloody hell should they stop now?

It is a shame that Bother's Bar has decided to close it's doors on the Deal or No Deal commentaries. As others have said, it was the original site that started the commentaries, and provided a statistical edge to the commentaries.

I certainly have no plans to end the live commentaries here, and will continue to keep up with them, and all the show archives/game breakdowns.

It does take quite an effort to produce the live commentaries, and try to comment on everything that is happening in the studio. So I can see why they have come to an end on Bother's Bar, as it does really require 2/3 people to try and do a full box/stats/incidents commentary, and somedays there are not the people around to do this due to other commitments.

As Power5 has said above, it would great if members wanted to contribute more to the commentaries here, and provide the statistical analysis, and incident side of things(I do try to add as much as I can on this, but I can't always keep up with everything that is going on). Tom22 does a great job stepping in to provide stats during the rounds when he is available, perhaps this could be expanded upon with the help of other members.

It will be great to hear any ideas, or volunteers who would like to help expand the commentary side of the site.

We've saved the ilovedealornodeal site from ending, it would be great if we could perhaps expand on the commentaries side to maintain the level of commentaries that has been provided by both Bother's bar, and the site here.

Sad news, but it doesn't really surprise me as I had heard over the past 6 months or so that it hadn't been very busy over there and people (normally Billy) were doing solo commentaries... I must admit I don't normally read them over there as I normally just stick to this site, but it's a shame they're stopping, but I suppose it gives scope for the commentaries on here to gain people's comments if there isn't such a facility on BB any more.

I'm normally around to step in and do the commentary on the rare occasions when kestral is away and I should be able to do so if need be... thankfully I have fast typing (it's got even faster thanks to spending ridiculous amounts of time in the chatroom ) so I can normally keep up with everything that's going on, although it's always inevtitable something will be missed by whoever's doing the commentary, so it's important others should comment on something if they wish to, if it's not already been mentioned.

I'll also still be around to check through the thread during and after the show and remove any posts which may contain spoilers about the show whilst it's still on or any inappropriate comments about the contestant etc. - which has happened in the past.

As for the Wakey arguments that develop when someone deals early, these can be annoying when looking back at a thread, but I can't really see what else can be done about them... other than splitting them and creating a new topic whenever it happens... but this would clutter up the today's show section... and of course, such debates shouldn't be banned as it's a forum to discuss such matters - although when things get out of hand, myself or kestral usually splits the topic and moves it to the off-topic section or deletes it altogether.

I was talking to KP about expanding the stats and I'd be happy to bring them up to BB standards using their Stats computer and I can do all the rounds instead of just starting at round 3 if its required.

It's a shame BB had to stop the commentaries as it was always good to go over and read them after each game.

I think that'd be a brilliant idea as it'd mean that the commentaries on here will contain the commentary about what's going on, as well as all the mathematical analysis and stats stuff which BB offered in their commentaries.

It all depends on what the main aim of the commentaries is I guess.

If its to keep a premanent record or log of the game for posterity then I guess as much information as possible should be added to them. Although tapes or DVDs of the show which are no doubt archived anyway do this in its most perfect form.

If its to enable people to follow the show whilst being unable to watch it when it's transmitted then I think there is a danger of too much information ruining the commentary. Some days its already difficult to follow proceedings with everybody chipping in with their tuppenceworth and even more padding/information would make matters worse.

Personally I'm not interested in archives of commentaries. I love the show for its entertainment value and treat each one as 'throwaway'. ie watch and forget. Which is what the general public do I'm sure.

Yeah they probably do - except just about everyone here isn't in the general public in terms of DoND. most are just fans, some of us others[myself included] are more into the statistics - but back on topic i agree totally with the bit about everybody chipping in - although it does put some more life into Kes's running commentaries making them even better

Finally though i have to admit I never went onto BB for the commentaries, but i have always gone back to the site for numerous reasons. One thing i dont understand is, why stop commentaries after 520-or-so games?

Good point, but I think it's probably easier for most to check the commentary on here, rather than loading up a DVD or tape and finding the right place on the DVD or tape to get to the bit that they want.



Again, good point - but I don't think it's too much of a problem, as if people just want to read the commentary "live" they can just refresh the page once every few minutes and only read kestral's posts, which are quite noticable due to his animated avatar!



Probably yes, but this is a fansite so most people here will want archives and I think it's good that they continue in their present form, or even with extras such as the addition of more stats etc... it's interesting to hear people's opinions on the matter though...

Basically, because nobody has been turning up to do them for a lot of recent shows.

Right this is of Bothers Bar's stats computer, and it's quite alot....

ROUND ONE FROM CLAIRE'S GAME YESTERDAY - 17 BOXES

£0.01
£0.10
£0.50

£5.00
£10.00
£50.00
£100.00
£250.00

£750.00


£1,000.00


£10,000.00
£15,000.00
£20,000.00
£35,000.00
£50,000.00
£75,000.00

£250,000.00


Stats at Round 1:

Boxes Left: 17
Cash Left on Board: £457,165.61
Board Value lost this Round: 19.18%
% of Blue amounts remaining: 69.94%
% of Red amounts remaining: 80.85%

Mean: £26,892.09
Median: £750
Absolute Balance: -5
Significant Balance: 9 / 17 , -1
Fair Deal: £9,384.59
Volatility: 1.21

Round 1 Generosity:

Banker Offer: £5,500
FD Benchmark (70%): £6,569.21
FD Generosity: 0.8

% OF MEAN: 20 ( 0.8 )
% OF FD: 59

Now thats quite alot of stats, should I keep it all there? Or I should I cut some stats out and which ones?

I think all of that is reasonably valuable, but if you want a 'short' update, don't quote the board until eleven-box, and possibly cut out the balance figures. I think the mean and FD are the most important, generosity is also very much worth keeping.

It is a real shame that the B Bar commentaries have ended because the commentary teams that assembled over there in the past did such a great job.

They really captured what was happening on screen and like all true fans had the depth of knowledge necessary to enable them to comment appropriately.

I think that anyone who plays their game post BB Commentary is going to lose a wonderful reminder of their day in the hot seat.

Quite frankly with that lot cluttering up the commentary thread after every round it'll make it difficult to follow and get a flavor of the show.

Honestly now, is anybody *genuinely* interested in that screed? (apart from KP of course)

I admit all the details may be a bit much, but if I'm not watching, I like to know what values are left, what the mean, and what a fair/expected offer is. Maybe do wihtout things like volatility and amount remaining on baord perhaps.

ditto, i can't understand the majority of it but I like to know the mean and FD occasionally.

Besides I can always calculate the mean myself. Most of it doesn't matter too much.