The games recently have really all been clones of each other. They have all either dealt too early or late with a small one in their box... a semi-player win; gone to the end and revealed a low number... a sort of banker win; or there have been outright banker wins. There have been one or two sort of player wins, where the player goes to the end and reveals an amount higher than their highest offer. But there hasn't been an outright player win by dealing - i.e. they did the right deal at the right time and had an amount in their box less than what they dealt for - for ages now. I started to look back in the records on www.ilovedealornodeal.co.uk but I couldn't find a proper OPW for ages, so I stopped looking, but it seems there hasn't been an outright player win since late September!

Hmm...

Right, had a look at the spreadhseet which was quicker, although ilovedealornodeal.co.uk is a great site by the way, and the last proper OPW was Billy, who gave an excellent banker thrashing... by dealing at £50,000,and having £5 in his box... and that was on Monday, 25th September.

Hmm, Rhona and Hannah were outright player wins but Billy was the last to beat the banker by dealing on September 25th.

EDIT - Haha, you beat me to it by replying to your own message

Haha, yes, I've edited my first post loads of times now to try and make it read some sense... what I'm trying to say is an OPW is really an OPW when the player deals.

Why is it only an OPW when the player Deals? In going to the end, both Rhona and Hannah got the maximum amounts possible from their games, which I'd say was definitely deserving of an OPW.

Yeah, in a way, but I think a proper full blown 100% OPW is when a contestant deals at the peak offer, then the offers go down after that to reveal a small amount in the box... à la Peter from June.

Hmm, don't really see that logic...in that case, someone going to the end and winning the £250k wouldn't be an OPW!

But whichever way you look at it, it hasn't happened for ages...we've had loads of Power 5 boxes lately which makes it pretty difficult.

If they go to the end, surely it's a draw with the banker? Whatever, I think the games recently have been boring. I'm not necessarily talking about the contestants when I say that, I mean I thought Diana today was pretty funny... and Noel seems to be interacting with the contestants more nowadays... (remember that phase in June / July when there was virtually no interaction between Noel and the contestants?)... but in regards to amount won and how they got there... they've all been... pretty standard over the past 4 weeks.

In what way? The Banker's role is to buy the box for the least amount of money - if he ends up shelling out 250k, then he's lost. No doubt about it, surely?

The boxes certainly haven't fallen in favour of great games recently, there have been too many £100k and £75k one-box games.

I agree that we haven't had a massive cliffhanger since Barbara's game, but on the other hand I think it's been the best group of contestants in the wings for a long time over the past few weeks!

But he'd be paying a player £250k for a £250k box... which is better than payiing a player £75k for a 1p box.

Again, not to labour the point, but the high early offers have resulted in fewer outright player wins.

Seems to me like they are fishing for an early exit - just so that they can say that they have had one.

Once a contestant rejects a really high offer.... fighting back to that level of reward must be in their heads

It is a poor tactic from the Banker

I think it definitely has to be treated as an OPW if the player goes on to open their box and it's higher than any of the offers!

Gaz winning £100k is a prime example, as only his last offer was in the 5-figures! An £100k win never looked likely until the end, and he could easily have dealt for a cut-and-run 4-figure sum! The banker would have saved 90-odd thousand if he'd dealt!

On the other hand, it could also be argued that Geordie beat the banker by selling a 10p box for £20, even though it was a disaster of a game!

I think the Bothers Bar classifications are pretty spot on, even though huge winners like Lance, Kirsty and Germaine lost to the banker overall!

The last OPW was Pat (£22,000) on October 2nd. That was nearly 3 weeks ago, so I guess we're due another one soon. Shell was pretty close to an OPW I suppose.

I think for an OPW you have to take the swap into account if it's offered - if the player leaves with the higher amount after being offered a swap then I would say that was an OPW as well.

Lately all the games have been like one box games mostly with the 100k, taken out all biggys except one,

Rhona also scored an OPW since her box amount that she took were more than any of the offers. Shell's was the next best result, a Technical Player Win (i.e. dealing for more than the box value and more than half of the highest offer)!



Yes, for sure - as long as it's more than the highest offer!

I wouldn't be too concerned about beating the banker personally - just to get as much money as possible, I'd rather sell an £100k box for £87k like Lance, than beat the banker but only win a modest 4-figure sum like Emma B, Ottis and Alison!

Exactly... beating the banker isn't everything.

If a contestant has won a reasonable amount of money they should be happy, too much emphasis is put on the proveout which could go either way and doesn't show whether the contestant was clever with their deal or not. If the contestant had no dealt they might have picked different numbers anyway. If you've won £25,000 and find £50,000 in your box I think it's stupid to beat yourself up for not beating the banker, and taking home more money.

[quote="James1978"][. a Technical Player Win (i.e. dealing for more than the box value and more than half of the highest offer)!


I dont know who decided on " more than half the highest offer " being a Technical player win but I always thought £20 for 10p gave me a TPW by the smallest margin we are ever likely to see.

It may seem like a small crumb of comfort to you but its my crumb and I earned it and I am not sharing it with the bugger at the end of the phone!