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HorrorLord

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:19 pm    Author: HorrorLord    Post subject:
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I have the rezzie game, but if im reading this properly, you can change the offer variants or something on it. I can't seem to do this on my version.

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KP

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:08 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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This isn't the Rezzie game, but you can change the offer generosity on that too - it's just done very awkwardly and I actually forget how (I haven't got the Rezzie game on this PC). I've dabbled with it and found some very odd offer patterns! :D

HorrorLord - if I find the link, which isn't a certainty, I'll PM it. :)

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HorrorLord

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:27 pm    Author: HorrorLord    Post subject:
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Thanks. Hope you do.

I'll have a little play around with rezzie tonight and see if I can change the offer genorosity, but a lot of the time, I think it does so randomly anyway. The offer generation system on the rezzie game is pretty bad in the first few rounds I personally think.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:02 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject:
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This isn't the Rezzie game, but you can change the offer generosity on that too - it's just done very awkwardly and I actually forget how (I haven't got the Rezzie game on this PC). I've dabbled with it and found some very odd offer patterns! :D

HorrorLord - if I find the link, which isn't a certainty, I'll PM it. :)



soory KP, if you havnt noticed there was a link,but the site got closed as soon as endemol C&D'd the game.

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KP

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:01 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Oh, no, this one isn't the Rezzie one (which I already knew had a C&D on it).

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HorrorLord

PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:39 pm    Author: HorrorLord    Post subject:
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It's a great game but, because there are no sounds, it kind of has no atmosphere to it.

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KP

PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:21 am    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Your new benchmarks: 15%/28%/45%/62%/73%/90%, variance 9.5%.

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GAME 33 | SARA (has Box 19)

ROUND 1
12 - £500 | 22 - 1p | 2 - £250,000 | 20 - £75,000 | 16 - £3,000
OFFER: £1,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
14 - £10,000 | 17 - £50,000 | 7 - £5,000
OFFER: £3,400 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
15 - £250 | 11 - £1 | 8 - £5
OFFER: £7,100 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
18 - 50p | 6 - £15,000 | 3 - 10p
OFFER: £12,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 5
21 - £100,000 | 5 - £20,000 | 10 - £50
OFFER: £5,100 | NO DEAL

ROUND 6
1 - £35,000 | 13 - £1,000 | 9 - £10
OFFER: £376 | NO DEAL
Swap rejected

Box 19 had £750 (Box 4 had £100) | Peak offer £12,900 | Prize won £750 | OBW

Summary: Thanks (...I guess) to daniel4389 for reminding me Sara had a £20,000 target, because otherwise I might have had her Deal... I spent forever trying to decide what she would have done until I got that reminder. It just got rubbish after that.

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GAME 34 | TINA (has Box 6)

ROUND 1
2 - £35,000 | 9 - £10 | 16 - £750 | 7 - £250 | 10 - £50,000
OFFER: £4,400 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
13 - £75,000 | 1 - £5 | 12 - 50p
OFFER: £8,700 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
22 - £20,000 | 8 - £5,000 | 20 - £500
OFFER: £15,400 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
4 - £15,000 | 14 - £100 | 5 - £250,000
OFFER: £8,800 | NO DEAL

ROUND 5
3 - £10,000 | 19 - 1p | 18 - £3,000
OFFER: £13,700 | NO DEAL

ROUND 6
17 - £100,000 | 21 - £1 | 15 - £1,000
OFFER: £21 | NO DEAL
Swap rejected

Box 6 had £50 (Box 11 had 10p) | Peak offer £15,400 | Prize won £50 | OBW

Summary: Tina turned down £2k on 50p/£5k after a rubbish game in which she seemed stuck in auto-No Deal mode. I assumed this to be typical of her, and if this had been her game I would have laughed at this self-inflicted trainwreck. Check that final offer though...
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GAME 35 | KAI (has Box 21)

ROUND 1
2 - 10p | 1 - £75,000 | 19 - £1,000 | 12 - £250,000 | 6 - £100
OFFER: £2,000 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
8 - £50 | 16 - £750 | 3 - £10
OFFER: £4,500 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
20 - £5,000 | 4 - £15,000 | 5 - £10,000
OFFER: £8,400 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
11 - £35,000 | 13 - 50p | 7 - £50,000
OFFER: £9,200 | NO DEAL

ROUND 5
14 - £100,000 | 15 - £500 | 17 - £20,000
OFFER: £492 | NO DEAL

ROUND 6
10 - £250 | 18 - £5 | 9 - £1
OFFER: £1,300 | DEAL

Box 21 had £3,000 (Box 22 had 1p) | Peak offer £9,200 | Prize won £1,300 | OBW

Summary: Not even the psychic can reverse the curse, a third tiny-money OBW in a row. I had him consider £9,200, but the £20,000 would have lured him in, I think.

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GAME 36 - ELAINE (has Box 16)

ROUND 1
3 - £3,000 | 8 - £1,000 | 14 - £10,000 | 20 - £250 | 4 - £10
OFFER: £5,200 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
6 - £750 | 7 - £50 | 22 - £35,000
OFFER: £10,000 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
10 - 10p | 21 - £5,000 | 17 - £20,000
OFFER: £20,700 | DEAL

ROUND 4
15 - £100,000 | 5 - 50p | 1 - £250,000
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £10,400

ROUND 5
12 - £1 | 9 - £50,000 | 11 - £100
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £12,300

ROUND 6
13 - 1p | 19 - £15,000 | 18 - £5
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £31,400

Box 16 had £500 (Box 2 had £75,000) | Peak offer £31,400 | Prize won £20,700 | TPW (66-34)

Summary: An amazing board fell to a cautious player. Go figure. Elaine would have taken £20,700 as a job well done, I'm sure. And forget that last offer - it WAS a job well done.

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KP

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:17 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Old skool!

Benchmarks for the week: 15%/30%/45%/63%/73%/90%, variance 10%.

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GAME 37 - AUDREY (has Box 3)

ROUND 1
1 - 10p | 20 - £15,000 | 4 - £1 | 13 - £35,000 | 2 - £10
OFFER: £4,300 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
12 - £3,000 | 17 - £100,000 | 21 - £10,000
OFFER: £8,800 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
9 - £5,000 | 22 - £5 | 5 - £500
OFFER: £16,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
6 - 1p | 10 - £250,000 | 18 - £100
OFFER: £11,300 | NO DEAL

ROUND 5
14 - £1,000 | 8 - 50p | 15 - £250
OFFER: £20,100 | NO DEAL

ROUND 6
11 - £20,000 | 7 - £750 | 19 - £75,000
OFFER: £23,200 | DEAL

Box 3 had £50,000 (Box 16 had £50) | Peak offer £23,200 | Prize won £23,200 | OBW

Summary: Audrey didn't have one difficult decision all game. She had more than her fair share in this one! I felt she might have been sucked in by the stability of the board - though I'm not sure the brilliantly-pitched fifth offer would have been rejected. The old-school final offer justified the preceding No Deal and an OBW is a harsh result here.

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GAME 38 - ROB (has Box 9)

ROUND 1
22 - £10,000 | 11 - £500 | 18 - £10 | 3 - £1,000 | 17 - £75,000
OFFER: £4,600 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
12 - £100,000 | 14 - £100 | 20 - £1
OFFER: £8,100 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
10 - 1p | 15 - £15,000 | 4 - £35,000
OFFER: £13,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
8 - £50 | 2 - £250,000 | 7 - £250
OFFER: £6,200 | NO DEAL

ROUND 5
13 - 50p | 5 - £5,000 | 16 - £50,000
OFFER: £3,200 | NO DEAL

ROUND 6
1 - 10p | 6 - £750 | 19 - £20,000
OFFER: £1,300 | NO DEAL
Swap rejected

Box 9 had £3,000 (Box 21 had £5) | Peak offer £13,900 | Prize won £3,000 | OBW

Summary: We didn't find all that much out about Rob's utility curve either, but I think he'd have gone to the end in this early-peaking game.

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GAME 39 - JO (has Box 6)

ROUND 1
16 - £1 | 11 - £50 | 1 - £20,000 | 12 - £750 | 4 - £15,000
OFFER: £4,300 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
3 - £10 | 20 - 50p | 22 - 1p
OFFER: £10,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
7 - £250,000 | 5 - £3,000 | 18 - £5
OFFER: £10,300 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
8 - £500 | 2 - £35,000 | 21 - £50,000
OFFER: £14,700 | DEAL

ROUND 5
19 - £250 | 9 - £5,000 | 13 - £100
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £25,000

ROUND 6
17 - £1,000 | 14 - £10,000 | 10 - £100,000
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £33,100

Box 6 had £75,000 (Box 15 had 10p) | Peak offer £33,100 | Prize won £14,700 | OBW

Summary: This was frustrating, she had a very similar board but with £50k/£20k instead of just £75k, and took a very generous £19k. I think she'd have taken this but now I'm thinking she wouldn't. Would have been right not to as it turned out. This is going horribly.

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GAME 40 - JASON (has Box 2)

ROUND 1
13 - £15,000 | 6 - £1 | 15 - £50 | 20 - £3,000 | 9 - £5
OFFER: £5,100 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
14 - 10p | 12 - £35,000 | 10 - £20,000
OFFER: £11,000 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
8 - £250,000 | 7 - 1p | 16 - £5,000
OFFER: £9,200 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
22 - £100 | 3 - £50,000 | 21 - £10
OFFER: £14,500 | DEAL

ROUND 5
17 - £250 | 1 - £75,000 | 18 - 50p
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £17,500

ROUND 6
11 - £10,000 | 4 - £750 | 5 - £500
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £45,200

Box 2 had £100,000 (Box 19 had £1,000) | Peak offer £45,200 | Prize won £14,500 | OBW

Summary: See also Jo's game, but his real game was a bit better and this ended up even worse.

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GAME 41 - HELEN (has Box 5)

ROUND 1
7 - 50p | 3 - £5,000 | 6 - £5 | 19 - £10 | 1 - £250,000
OFFER: £2,600 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
10 - 1p | 17 - £1,000 | 20 - £75,000
OFFER: £4,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
18 - £20,000 | 21 - £3,000 | 9 - £500
OFFER: £8,300 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
15 - £50 | 16 - 10p | 8 - £50,000
OFFER: £12,100 | NO DEAL

ROUND 5
11 - £100 | 12 - £750 | 4 - £35,000
OFFER: £19,000 | DEAL

ROUND 6
13 - £15,000 | 22 - £1 | 14 - £10,000
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £46,900

Box 5 had £100,000 (Box 2 had £500) | Peak offer £46,900 | Prize won £19,000 | OBW

Summary: Oh now it's just getting ridiculous. Helen never had a difficult decision to make all game - five joke offers and an AMO! - so I had her play the game relatively moderately, the rise after the £35k hit proving the tipping point.

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GAME 42 - JEFF (has Box 17)

ROUND 1
8 - £10,000 | 7 - £750 | 2 - 1p | 5 - £5,000 | 4 - £1,000
OFFER: £4,600 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
1 - £1 | 13 - £500 | 3 - £50,000
OFFER: £11,000 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
6 - £5 | 9 - £100 | 11 - £20,000
OFFER: £20,500 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
15 - £50 | 12 - 10p | 19 - £3,000
OFFER: £39,000 | DEAL

ROUND 5
20 - £75,000 | 14 - £100,000 | 21 - 50p
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £44,500

ROUND 6
22 - £250,000 | 16 - £15,000 | 18 - £35,000
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER: £115

Box 17 had £250 (Box 10 had £10) | Peak offer £44,500 | Prize won £39,000 | TPW (88-12)

Summary: At last, someone makes a profit on the box! I suspect Jeff would have seen £39,000 as too much to turn down, and would he have believed the big money couldn't possibly come to the table again? Either way, a spectacularly damaging proveout, although the late-game offers don't quite do it justice.

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This is great! However, the last offer in Jeff's game would have been £115 on a £250/£500 last pair? Even I might no-deal that!!! :-D

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:43 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Typing error... I think it was £5 in the other box. I just spotted £500 there.

Oh, hang on, £10. I forgot to change it from the last game...

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KP

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:53 am    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Offer settings remain unchanged for the first three games of this week. Dear hell they're changing next week with Angela's game...!

Also, what shall I do with the swappy people? I'm thinking 'start the mid-game swappers with their new boxes, don't change anything for the end-game swappers but have them swap again if they turn down all offers again'. Anyone got any better ideas?


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GAME 43: KAREN (has Box 15)

ROUND 1
22 - £750 | 11 - £50 | 7 - £35,000 | 5 - £250,000 | 10 - £75,000
OFFER £1,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
6 - £20,000 | 2 - £10 | 9 - £5,000
OFFER £3,600 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
4 - £1,000 | 3 - £500 | 17 - 1p
OFFER £6,800 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
8 - £250 | 1 - £10,000 | 13 - £1
OFFER £12,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 5
12 - £100,000 | 14 - £50,000 | 16 - 50p
OFFER £2,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 6
20 - £5 | 21 - 10p | 19 - £3,000
OFFER £7,400 | DEAL

Box 15 had £15,000 (Box 18 had £100) | Peak offer £12,900 | Prize won £7,400 | OBW

Verdict: One of the most painful games I've simulated, if not the most. Why did I have Karen No Deal at £12,900? It took a lot of thought, as her board was so different to her real one and yet oddly comparable, but then I remembered her dream (to become a pilot), looked up the cost of acquiring all the licenses required from scratch (roughly £50k), and figured that with both that and the £100k in play she'd go for it. To see the top two go at once like that was horrendous. At least she scrapped her way back to good money though!

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GAME 44: MARY-ANN (has Box 10)

ROUND 1
2 - £10,000 | 1 - £35,000 | 3 - 50p | 4 - £250,000 | 5 - £50
OFFER £2,300 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
18 - £20,000 | 8 - 10p | 9 - £15,000
OFFER £5,200 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
13 - £5 | 7 - 1p | 11 - £1,000
OFFER £10,400 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
21 - £1 | 12 - £10 | 6 - £5,000
OFFER £18,300 | DEAL

ROUND 5
17 - £3,000 | 22 - £500 | 16 - £250
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER £34,600

ROUND 6
15 - £75,000 | 20 - £1 | 14 - £50,000
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER £41,200

Box 10 had £100,000 (Box 12 had £100) | Peak offer £41,200 | Prize won £18,300 | OBW

Verdict: Oh thank heavens for that - the board ended up very similar indeed to the real one at eight-box (swap £5k and £35k for £3k and £50k and you're there on the reds!), and the offers were almost identical, thus making the decision trivial... at least I can't think 'she wouldn't have done that' after that OBW! Doesn't make it any less painful though...

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GAME 45: CHRIS (has Box 2)

ROUND 1
12 - £750 | 19 - £35,000 | 9 - £10 | 8 - £500 | 21 - £100,000
OFFER £3,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 2
11 - 10p | 15 - £20,000 | 4 - £250,000
OFFER £3,300 | NO DEAL

ROUND 3
17 - 1p | 13 - £100 | 14 - £1
OFFER £5,900 | NO DEAL

ROUND 4
3 - £15,000 | 7 - £3,000 | 6 - £50,000
OFFER £7,100 | DEAL

ROUND 5
5 - £75,000 | 16 - £5 | 10 - 50p
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER £2,400

ROUND 6
20 - £250 | 18 - £1,000 | 22 - £5,000
HYPOTHETICAL OFFER £4,500

Box 2 had £50 (Box 6 had £10,000) | Peak offer £7,100 | Prize won £7,100 | OPW

Verdict: AT LAST! When a stable board turns unstable and the offer goes noticeably up from non-insulting levels, it's just too easy to Deal. Very interesting proveout too, the OPW seemingly sealed in one box but not actually confirmed until the very end!

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